21verbs (conditional)sindarin Lessons



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• Introduction
• Lesson I – Background information
• Lesson II – Black Speech Sounds and Pronunciation
• Lesson III – Nouns
• Lesson IV – Verbs: Infinitive and Present Tense
• Lesson V – Verbs: Future Tense
• Lesson VI – Adjectives and Word Order
• Lesson VII – Pre- and Postpositions, Noun Cases, Phrase Verbs
• Lesson VIII – Verbs: Past Tense
Lesson IX – Numbers
• Lesson X – Pronouns and Commands (Imperatives)

In this lesson, we have learned how to use the conditional and the subjunctive moods. The conditional tense is often used with words, like 'if,' 'would,' 'could,' and 'might.'

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• * Lesson XI – Adverbs, Gerund
• * Lesson XII – Comparisons
• * Lesson XIII – Suffix Order and Indirect Objects
• * Lesson XIV – Questions
• * Lesson XV – Participles and Passive Voice
• * Lesson XVI – Conditional and Subjunctive Moods
• Appendix A: Prefixes and Suffixes
• Appendix B: Grammar quick overview
• Appendix C: Measures, Directions, Army Ranks
• Appendix D: List Of Abbreviations
• Appendix E: Canonical Tolkien's Black Speech

Lesson IX – Numbers

Generally, numbers are treated like adjectives. They usually go after the word they modify (again, most orcs would probably ignore this rule). You will also notice that the Ring Verse places them before the word they modify (ash nazg... ). This may have been done for poetic reasons.

Numbers

1ash11galash30gakhgal
2krul12galkrul40zagal
3gakh13galgakh50krâkgal
4zag14galzag60rutgal
5krâk15galkrâk70utgal
6rut16galrut80skragh
7udu17galudu90krithgal
8skri18galskri100bûr
9krith19galkrith1000 tor
10 gal20 krulgal0nar

Note that 21 would be krulgalash, 24 = krulgalzag, and so on.


Exercise

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Translate the following numbers into Black Speech: 34, 58, 62, 71, 22, 87, 103, 245, 9068, 4862.

Ordinal Numerals

Ordinal numerals are formed the same way as adjectives. You should suffix -ûrz to a number to get ordinal. So first = âshûrz (the only exception), second = krulûrz, 5th = krâkûrz, 27th = krulgaludûrz and so on.


Word order and measures

Numerals always go after words they modify/count, and this rule is simple. But how to translate more complex expressions like “40 years old”, “six feet tall” etc.? Numbers here modify measures (which are nouns years, feet), which modify adjectives (old, tall). Therefore word order should be Adjective/Adverb, measure, quantity. But it's frustating, so you can use english word order (or choose which way is sounding better). I'll give you examples:

Kul-izg kû ânrothu zagal
My devil is six feet tall.
Pauzûl-izub kulat rutfraztâr
Mûl tul kuluzat sigûrz udârsh krul
Gondor is five leagues away from here
Gondor kulat krâk fraumu krât krul-ghâra
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Has anyone here ever tried the lessons? I think some of them may need some corrections and updates. Let me know your thoughts.

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The Swedish LARP-orcish Svartiska was not really created by a single LARP-group but by the community of orc-larpers where different groups created different dialects.


On pronunciation

There is an orc name that begins with y - Yagul - in The War of the Ring (The History of Middle Earth, vol. 8 )

I think Tolkien pronounce Mordor in Elvish, it is after all an Elvish name meaning Black land in Sindarin (or 'shadows' in Quenya). It has nothing to do with pronunciation of the Black Speech.

And what about the sounds in the excercise: -qu- in 'throqu-' and sr- in 'srinkh-'? Especially -qu- seems out of place. Why not spell it kv or kw?


bjornaxen wrote:

And what about the sounds in the excercise: -qu- in 'throqu-' and sr- in 'srinkh-'?

Yes, there as some issues with qu, specially when next letter is also u. Could be also spelled like Q. It appears only in words borrowed from elvish languages. I will replace it with something else if I would create new dialect.

I think there is nothing special with sr, for me it's easier to say than thr (thrakatulat).


Does comparative and superlative adjectives, and adverbs mark plural?

The dark tower - lugbûrz; the darkest tower - lugbûrzaz; the darkest towers - lugbûrzazu

urukû ghâshuzat hîzarz lug 'the old orc quickly burned the tower'; urukûz ghâshuzut hîzarzu lug 'the old orcs quickly burned the tower'
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edit 1. I saw that the adverb is not agreeing in number so: urukfuz ghâshuzut hîzarz lug
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edit 2. I saw that I somehow confused the adjectives - this i now corrected.


I think adverbs do not have plural form. Adjectives do in any form


There are two collective plural, -hai and -ûk. In contrast to the ordinary plural these can be used with people and races. So we have uruk-hai (the orc people) as the most famous example. And then in the lessons (IV) there is an example of the -ûk ending used with sharkû (old man) > sharkûk 'all old men'. So both the collective plurals can be used with people and races but what is the difference between them. What does sharkû-hai mean 'all the old people' or maybe 'the society of old men' or is it equivalent to sharkûk? Or is it just gibberish.


In lesson XIII on suffix order, verbs collective #6 two endings are given, -ûk and -âzh. The -âzh ending is used with a verb 'ufubulâzh' (will frighten them slightly). I cannot find this -âzh in the lessons or in the wordlists (there is 'azh (conj, HORN) 'also').

It seems to mean 'slightly' but then it is not a collective. Confusing


bjornaxen wrote:

n the lessons (IV) there is an example of the -ûk ending used with sharkû (old man) > sharkûk 'all old men'. So both the collective plurals can be used with people and races but what is the difference between them. What does sharkû-hai mean 'all the old people' or maybe 'the society of old men' or is it equivalent to sharkûk? Or is it just gibberish.

I think it's Scatha's mistake.
I don't like interpretation of -hai as collective plural suffix nor simply as 'folk', 'people of' etc. However I can't offer better one.

bjornaxen wrote:

n lesson XIII on suffix order, verbs collective #6 two endings are given, -ûk and -âzh. The -âzh ending is used with a verb 'ufubulâzh' (will frighten them slightly). I cannot find this -âzh in the lessons or in the wordlists (there is 'azh (conj, HORN) 'also').

I've added this shortly before my HDD crashed. Online version of dictionary is not updated still.
Here -uuk and -aazh are something like verb's aspect (perfect and 'partial' respectively). Interpretation of '-0019uuk' as 'completely', 'fully' is taken from A. Nemirovsky's analysis


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